OT: Poll on building of IR(Casino) in Singapore

Unknown
edited April 2005 in General Fishing
I guess that the decision had been made about the building of IRs(Casino) in Singapore, but would like to see how many people support or don't support the idea. My opinion on the matter is base on religious stand and moral stand point that the casino is a No No, but on the basis on job creation it is a plus to our declining economy. But as some Ministers have suggested the rules on the casino will get slack after times and the consequres may be burden by our next generation. Hope this will not be the case.
  • KOON_WEI
    i think the goverment should not bulid a casino in singapore...
  • Michael Lim
    Problem with such decisions is that both ways you can win and both ways you can lose.

    Personally, I object to Casinos in Singapore as they can open up a HUGE can of worms and the truth about the increase in jobs, well... I dun think much of the casino will be staffed by Singaporeans due to the lack of experience in this line. So where would the 35,000 jobs go to?? You make your own judgement.

    But then again, the government does have some worries about the level of livelihood they can make in future esp. with tourism economy when the rest of the places open their attractions such as Disneyland, etc... Could there be better draws than a Intergrated Resort (which has a casino)???

    I dunno...
  • uncle
    Hi Mike (Lim)

    The stage is set. No turning back. I am totally against having a casino here especially if someone you know became a "superman" from 36 storeys in HKG because of frequent visit to casino.

    Best we can do is to divert our concentrations to something else like fishing instead of making quick and fast bucks the so called easy way.
  • Michael Lim
    uncle" said:
    Hi Mike (Lim)

    The stage is set. No turning back. I am totally against having a casino here especially if someone you know became a "superman" from 36 storeys in HKG because of frequent visit to casino.

    Best we can do is to divert our concentrations to something else like fishing instead of making quick and fast bucks the so called easy way.
    Yeah... better go fishing more often... Let the tackle shops earn my money... hehhehe
  • goldfish
    I agree with the building. If dont built, others would built one nearby too. Hopefully this would lower taxes with the increase in revenue. wonder why they even have to bother to have so much news to it. Who knows,maybe will give tourist a reason to visit. We just need foreign revenue. dun have a disneyland here bo pian
  • StOrM
    hmm this is an interesting topic.. like mike raised up. all things have both views.. for me i put it this way. 54000 that may be affected( that is maybe) or jobs offered to many others. i love the travel n leisure industry. we have to view as a nation not as our own standing. over the years we are losing tourist. we as a small island does not have much to offer. if u ask a tourist who have visited singapore if he would come back? he most prob say. been there done that. if we can have a world class IR set-up we will be looking forward to more carrers and developlment oustside singapore . certainly there are people at risk of becoming addict. but the number is extremly low. all i want to say. its time to grow up and see the world in a whole new view. why let people enjoy, while u can have all the fruits to yourself. if u ask me, if singapore can surive without tourist, i say yes but we will not be a world class city liek what we are now!
  • Unknown
    I agree that casino should not be build but one thing that I find encouraging ithat now is the time for Singapore to change. We need more buzz like what LKY said or else the world will just pass us by and more freedom of speech.
    Hope the plan to build a F1 track in Singapore will be approve, this is what I think will drawn in more tourist dollars and put Singapore on the world map.
    My other wish for a change in Singapore is all reserviour to be open up for fishing.
  • Bernard Tan
    Would agree with the building of IRs in Singapore! While it may lead to moral issuses whatsoever, it will certainly boost the economy by means of job creations and tourism.

    Guess the government would impose certain rules and regulations to dissuade the frequencies of local visitors and I guess the moral misconduct would be an issue of personal responsibility and should be delt with from different avenues.

    Woudl pressume that the building of IRs would do more good then otherwise....

    My 2cents :)
  • John Hooi
    edited April 2005
    It doesn't really bother me. I don't gamble. So even if they were to build a thousand casinos around me, I still don't gamble. That is my decision, not to gamble. I live my own live, I make my own decision, I don't WANT the government to make my decision for me. I don't want them to decide for me if I'm allowed to gamble or not.

    If I were to become a gambling addict, whether it's the Batam gambling boats or Genting, the fault is mine and mine alone. I'm not going to bitch at the Indonesian government or the Malaysia government for allowing casinos. It is MY fault, not theirs.

    For those who are already gambling, I don't really see the difference. The issue is not the ban gambling or not. Gambling has already been here for a long time, I don't see why people have to start bitching about the ills of gambling only NOW.

    What exactly can a casino do that gambling cannot? I really fail to see the distinction. I saw lots of assertion during this year long debate, and most of it is invalid because it falls on either of these 2 categories...

    1. Casino, NOT Gambling. The issue in NOT about gambling, its about casino. We are no trying to ban gambling. Whining about how bad and bad gambling is, of how families have broken up... etc are all invalid arguments.

    2. Assertions. There've been a few assertion of how a casino more harmful if it's in Marina Bay as compared to Batam (which is 30 mins by ferry). I've seen assertions on how a casino is more harmful than playing the stock market, toto, 4D and horse-racing. But when these assertions were challenged to provide substantial evidence to support it, they all fell flat on their face. Seems to me more like pleading rather than critical facts.

    My personal opinion.
  • StOrM
    well said.. the people at risk is their own doing... so dun use this own doing to undermine the potential og what a IR can do for singapore.
  • dwang
    well...for me, i dun really mind to have a casino in sgp. i not into casino, only 4D. but strongly dun feel the need to open 2. 1 is enuff loh
  • T-Rex
    I'm 100% for the IR with casino, it's time garment recognise that singaporean are mature enuff to know what is harmful what is not. IR with casino brings in tourist dollars, let face it, s'pore has got no natural resources, one of our pillars(shipping) is abit shaky with strong competition from PTP. Changi airport also under stiff competition from Senai and KLIA. Once malaysia improve these areas, our economy will be doom. Bottom line is no tourist dollar no future. What else is gonna attract tourist here? Bird park? Zoo with mad cats? When Thailand completes digging a chanel to allow ships to bypass straits of malacca, our port together with PTP will have to close shop, which ship wants to sail in world most pirate infested straits if given a choice?

    LKY made a important point, we dont allow IR here, it will be relocated to somewhere nearby, maybe malaysia, maybe thailand. If that happens, not only the tourist dollar will be directed there, our own citizen will be going there too.

    Social ills and religion restriction. I guess all these boils down to self discipline. Nobaby is gonna force you to go to the casino. Do not blame anyone if you're not disciplined and mentally not strong enuff. We are adults and should be mature enuff to handle ourselves. A knife is a tool to help us in our daily chores and at the same time it can be used as a weapon to kill or injure someone else, are we gonna ban knifes too?

    My only disagreement is the entry fee of S$100 or S$2k per year, pay and pay again grrr....

    The above are my point of view, if it offend anyone, my sincere appology but my view still stands 8)
  • FishFinder
    This may not affect who are not gamble, but think again... what about your friends ? relative ? or your next generation ? Hopefully government has a really good plain for this…or may be i'm thinking too much...
  • John Hooi
    This may not affect who are not gamble, but think again... what about your friends ? relative ? or your next generation ?

    What about them? They should be sensible about their own decision reagrding their own live. If not, I can't help them, their family can't help them, their friends can't help them, and the government definitely can't help them.

    It does not matter which generation. Being responsible for your own decisions is never wrong.

    Hopefully government has a really good plain for this…or may be i'm thinking too much...

    I have a better idea. Why not each individual come up with a really good plan with regards to their life?

    What happen if the government's plan is not really that good? Will you sit and watch your live go down the drain?
  • Anonymous
    IMHO.

    Take for this instance, our infamous leader MM Lee has agreed to the idea of IR. He admitted even up to now, he will still opposed to gambling. But, his way of running the Singapore may not be suitable for the future economics point of view. One obvious situation we can visualize now, if S'pore don't built IRs our neighbouring countries would. And thus, all the tourists will divert to such places where they find it more interesting and entertaining.

    With limited prospects of our tourism's attraction, not sooner but later the tourists will find no values in visiting. Apparently, tourism contributes a fair amount to our GDP, without it our economy will fall.

    Another true fact is already known to many, Singaporean are going overseas to gamble. Why let the money flows out of S'pore, and not contained within with our own IRs??? :roll: Logics?! You judge then.

    The causes of action are always in the responsibility of oneself. Nobody can look after that, except again oneself.
  • FishFinder
    John Hooi" said:
    This may not affect who are not gamble, but think again... what about your friends ? relative ? or your next generation ?

    What about them? They should be sensible about their own decision reagrding their own live. If not, I can't help them, their family can't help them, their friends can't help them, and the government definitely can't help them.

    It does not matter which generation. Being responsible for your own decisions is never wrong.

    Hopefully government has a really good plain for this…or may be i'm thinking too much...

    I have a better idea. Why not each individual come up with a really good plan with regards to their life?

    What happen if the government's plan is not really that good? Will you sit and watch your live go down the drain?
    Yup, everyone should responsible to themselve and they are old enough to do whatever they like... and Singapore is not the first country to open casino, so nothing much we can do...
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