Accurate Bx1 600 vs Poseidon 200

Tekkai
Hello guys, Im new to fishing and i have a few questions which bothers me. Why is it that the accurate bx1 600 is expensive but it has such a low drag of 30lbs/13.5kg (according to the accuratefishing website). While Poseidon on the other hand is cheap (I bought it for 180bucks) and it has a max drag of 30kg. So am I right to say Poseidon is better than accurate 600? Surely there should be something about the accurate reel that makes it much more expensive right? Same goes for reels of other brands that are expensive ( range 500-1k) on websites but have a drag <30kg. 

Another thing is, are the info provided by the accuratefishing website reliable? I have friends who use accurate500 and 600 and they say the max drag is >30kg. Anyone got ideas about this? Thanks.
  • anglersaddict
    edited June 2016
    Accurates are capable of producing more than 30kg of drag, however Accurate does not feel that they need to publish the figures (they're confident in their products). 

    It's not too difficult to get 30kg drag on most modern day reels, it's the performance and consistency that differentiates a $200 reel versus an Accurate, this is where the confidence stems from.

    A reel can produce huge drag figures - example Jigging Master can do up to 70-80lbs on some of their reels, but how relevant is that to your fishing application? 

    For normal stand-up fishing, how much prolong abuse can an angler & his equipment take? Max drag is never a reliable indicator of how "good" a reel is - a reel that can produce 50lbs drag but binds terribly once above 25lb drag is not necessarily better than one that can produce 30lbs of drag consistently (and smoothly of course).
  • Tekkai
    Ah ok thanks for the reply. So how do I know what the real max drag of the reel is since what is published may not be the max? I love to go for grouper fishing, but I heard groupers hide in the rocks once they get your bait and so you need a powerful rod and reel to pull it up. So that means if you get a weak reel, it will just keep spooling you till it gets stuck in the rocks. So I need a strong one just in case I ever land a really huge grouper >20kg. Wouldnt want to waste my line, hooks and weight and of course a missed catch. 
  • tabaohater
    Used handline for grouper. Solve all your problems.

    And you can thumb your reel if you want so the drag is not an issue.
  • Tekkai
    Accurates are capable of producing more than 30kg of drag, however Accurate does not feel that they need to publish the figures (they're confident in their products). 

    It's not too difficult to get 30kg drag on most modern day reels, it's the performance and consistency that differentiates a $200 reel versus an Accurate, this is where the confidence stems from.

    A reel can produce huge drag figures - example Jigging Master can do up to 70-80lbs on some of their reels, but how relevant is that to your fishing application? 

    For normal stand-up fishing, how much prolong abuse can an angler & his equipment take? Max drag is never a reliable indicator of how "good" a reel is - a reel that can produce 50lbs drag but binds terribly once above 25lb drag is not necessarily better than one that can produce 30lbs of drag consistently (and smoothly of course).
    Actually Accurate's max drag is what is stated on its webpage. I've just tested it on my DX2- 600N. The max drag is around 30lbs and it is clearly less than 20kg. Quite sad though..I wonder how to catch fishes above 50kg.
  • extractor
    30kg on a tiny chapalang brand reel??? You will be VERY lucky if you can get 15kg off dat reel... Which i tink you probably wun even see 15kg in real life usage

    Have you ever wonder how they do they test the reel and came to the conclusion of 30kg? They didnt lie to you but they will not tell ya the truth either...  :#

    Simple... they take drag measurement on an EMPTY SPOOL and dat reel has a very small arbor. Now... who goes fishing on an empty spool???

    Fill it up full with line, you probably have left with like 7-10 kg drag left or possibly less. Max out the drag without the reel binding, that should be the correct way to take drag measurement, All u need is a cheapo weighing scale and you can do the drag test yourself and post back here the real results of your findings.

    Do not trust most of the Big Brands specs... do not trust even more for unknown brands...     
    To fish 30kg drag, you will need full body harness and chain yourself to the boat... Haha! This Max Drag marketing bull crap is a conspiracy.... 

  • extractor
    Which is faster and better performances?

    500 bhp WRX or 500 bhp Ferrari?

    I tink the answer is way too obvious... Bhp is jus 1 of the 100 factors that come into play, weight, torque, cornering abilities, blah blah blah.. The Ferrari will eat up the WRX on a race track...

    Yes, you are right... the Accurate cost more for obvious reasons. 
  • Tekkai
    extractor said:
    30kg on a tiny chapalang brand reel??? You will be VERY lucky if you can get 15kg off dat reel... Which i tink you probably wun even see 15kg in real life usage

    Have you ever wonder how they do they test the reel and came to the conclusion of 30kg? They didnt lie to you but they will not tell ya the truth either...  :#

    Simple... they take drag measurement on an EMPTY SPOOL and dat reel has a very small arbor. Now... who goes fishing on an empty spool???

    Fill it up full with line, you probably have left with like 7-10 kg drag left or possibly less. Max out the drag without the reel binding, that should be the correct way to take drag measurement, All u need is a cheapo weighing scale and you can do the drag test yourself and post back here the real results of your findings.

    Do not trust most of the Big Brands specs... do not trust even more for unknown brands...     
    To fish 30kg drag, you will need full body harness and chain yourself to the boat... Haha! This Max Drag marketing bull crap is a conspiracy.... 

    Then what about fishing for those very big fishes like yellow and bluefin tuna on youtube? How much drag is needed? This fishes are huge and surely they can generate more than 50lbs of force right? Thats like more than an accurate's max drag hahaha.
  • anglersaddict
    Accurate has the ATD line of reels which are intended for such fishing applications, these are the ones designed for "cow fishing", and of course other manufacturers have equivalent big game reels as well.
  • abfackeln
    Its not how much drag the reel has, its how much drag you and your gear can take.
  • extractor
    Tekkai said:
    extractor said:
    30kg on a tiny chapalang brand reel??? You will be VERY lucky if you can get 15kg off dat reel... Which i tink you probably wun even see 15kg in real life usage

    Have you ever wonder how they do they test the reel and came to the conclusion of 30kg? They didnt lie to you but they will not tell ya the truth either...  :#

    Simple... they take drag measurement on an EMPTY SPOOL and dat reel has a very small arbor. Now... who goes fishing on an empty spool???

    Fill it up full with line, you probably have left with like 7-10 kg drag left or possibly less. Max out the drag without the reel binding, that should be the correct way to take drag measurement, All u need is a cheapo weighing scale and you can do the drag test yourself and post back here the real results of your findings.

    Do not trust most of the Big Brands specs... do not trust even more for unknown brands...     
    To fish 30kg drag, you will need full body harness and chain yourself to the boat... Haha! This Max Drag marketing bull crap is a conspiracy.... 

    Then what about fishing for those very big fishes like yellow and bluefin tuna on youtube? How much drag is needed? This fishes are huge and surely they can generate more than 50lbs of force right? Thats like more than an accurate's max drag hahaha.
    Imagine if i tie you to a big reel with 3km of line... Dont need much... 5kg drag will do...

    Then release a ferocious Pit Bull behind you so you will run For Your Life jus like how a fish swims as fast as possible to try to escape for its life.

    I doubt you can run 1.5 km without stopping at Max Capacity. 

    Those fishes can pull hundreds of pounds, 50lb of drag is chicken feet to them.... Its mainly the DISTANCE and plus abit of drag that kills them....  haha!


  • Franky
    Imagine fishing with a 30kg drag and you hooked up a big one eg. 20kg grouper.

    Either: 
    1) heng, line burst
    2) sway a bit, rod break
    3) sway sway, whole setup fly off your hand
    4) sibei sway in case u chain ur setup with u. Angler also fly down hahaha

    My point is either 1 have to give way. Drag is there to let the fish run and u fight with it and that's the fun! If wan bao jiak i agree with the above kaki who said use a handline or rather use rope haha. 

    Anyway an Accurate bx400 is surely enough and a good investment for the long run. Poseidon also does a good job but the materials used and build are the difference. You don't need that high drag actually, u can thumb spool if u just wanna get the grouper out of the reefs. Hope it helps.


  • Tekkai
    extractor said:
    Tekkai said:
    extractor said:
    30kg on a tiny chapalang brand reel??? You will be VERY lucky if you can get 15kg off dat reel... Which i tink you probably wun even see 15kg in real life usage

    Have you ever wonder how they do they test the reel and came to the conclusion of 30kg? They didnt lie to you but they will not tell ya the truth either...  :#

    Simple... they take drag measurement on an EMPTY SPOOL and dat reel has a very small arbor. Now... who goes fishing on an empty spool???

    Fill it up full with line, you probably have left with like 7-10 kg drag left or possibly less. Max out the drag without the reel binding, that should be the correct way to take drag measurement, All u need is a cheapo weighing scale and you can do the drag test yourself and post back here the real results of your findings.

    Do not trust most of the Big Brands specs... do not trust even more for unknown brands...     
    To fish 30kg drag, you will need full body harness and chain yourself to the boat... Haha! This Max Drag marketing bull crap is a conspiracy.... 

    Then what about fishing for those very big fishes like yellow and bluefin tuna on youtube? How much drag is needed? This fishes are huge and surely they can generate more than 50lbs of force right? Thats like more than an accurate's max drag hahaha.
    Imagine if i tie you to a big reel with 3km of line... Dont need much... 5kg drag will do...

    Then release a ferocious Pit Bull behind you so you will run For Your Life jus like how a fish swims as fast as possible to try to escape for its life.

    I doubt you can run 1.5 km without stopping at Max Capacity. 

    Those fishes can pull hundreds of pounds, 50lb of drag is chicken feet to them.... Its mainly the DISTANCE and plus abit of drag that kills them....  haha!


    haha so in other words..fishes have poor stamina and they tire out really fast? haha:)
  • Tekkai
    Franky said:
    Imagine fishing with a 30kg drag and you hooked up a big one eg. 20kg grouper.

    Either: 
    1) heng, line burst
    2) sway a bit, rod break
    3) sway sway, whole setup fly off your hand
    4) sibei sway in case u chain ur setup with u. Angler also fly down hahaha

    My point is either 1 have to give way. Drag is there to let the fish run and u fight with it and that's the fun! If wan bao jiak i agree with the above kaki who said use a handline or rather use rope haha. 

    Anyway an Accurate bx400 is surely enough and a good investment for the long run. Poseidon also does a good job but the materials used and build are the difference. You don't need that high drag actually, u can thumb spool if u just wanna get the grouper out of the reefs. Hope it helps.


    haha thanks for the advice man.
  • sinnergy88
    Main reason for the price difference are:
    1) Country of Origin - Accurate:USA / Poseidon:Thailand
    2) Technology - Accurate produce the 1st and original reel with twin-drag system on the other hand Poseidon is a copy.
    3) QC - Accurate reel has better quality control.

    Accurate reel is also easier to use, the lever drag is smoother to engage even at high drag.
    While Poseidon lever movement is not smooth at a preset drag more than 9-10kg. Poseidon reel is almost impossible to use at maximum preset drag, you can't push the lever to strike position at all.

    When the drag is set correctly, it can prevent line burst and the rod give way while fighting the fish and maximise the rod and fishing line's performance, and depending on the type of knot you use at the terminal/shock-leader, the efficiency of the line will not be 100% of the poundage indicated; the breaking strength will drop to 80~90% of the rated poundage. Max drag is not that important in a reel you should lookout for but the effective drag you should consider.

    Both brand reels are usable; Poseidon for me is practical and a lot more affordable; if you are feeling rich, you can alway get an Accurate reel and do a review and compare. Both have the same purpose; bring the fishes out of the water. 

    Hope that this is relevant. Cheers
  • AnnMod
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  • Tekkai
    AnnMod said:
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